Unanswered Questions – Does God Lie

To those who believe God knows the future exhaustively:

Does God say He will do something although He knows that He will never do that thing?

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    1. Can Jeremiah 18:10 be fulfilled? God says He will do something and then He does not do it.

      Jer 18:7 The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it,
      Jer 18:8 if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it.
      Jer 18:9 And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it,
      Jer 18:10 if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will relent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.

      More verses to consider:

      1Sa 2:30 Therefore the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I said indeed that your house and the house of your father would walk before Me forever.’ But now the LORD says: ‘Far be it from Me; for those who honor Me I will honor, and those who despise Me shall be lightly esteemed.

      Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter the city on the first day’s walk. Then he cried out and said, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!”
      Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest to the least of them.

      Jon 3:10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.

      Jer 26:3 Perhaps everyone will listen and turn from his evil way, that I may relent concerning the calamity which I purpose to bring on them because of the evil of their doings.’

      The overall point is that exhaustive foreknowledge turns God into a liar no matter how it is spinned.

        1. Jer 18:10 if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will relent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.

          In this scenario, did God say something?

          Did that thing come true?

            1. Here is the thing. Jer 18:10 is a hypothetical that God is proposing. God is saying that there are circumstances in which He says He will do something, but then those things will not happen depending on the actions of people. This is not about Israel or judgement or any particular statement. This is God telling us His general rule.

              God says that sometimes He will say something and that thing will not come true.

              We see this happen throughout the Bible. Nineveh is a prime example. God says He will destroy it. The people change. Then watch the wording:

              Jon 3:10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.

              So God does not do what God said He would do. It does not get more plain than that.

              1. Jer. 18 is hardly a hypothetical. Read the context.It is talking about a specific situation, but also giving revelation to the principles of God.

                That being said, that passage actually applies to Jonah as well. Ninevah repented and God did exactly what he said his principle is, he turned away from destroying the city.

                So God does EXACTLY what He says he will do. It doesn’t get more plain that THAT.

                1. Alright, intellectual honesty test. The following is a compound sentence. What does the second half say? In your own words.

                  Jon 3:10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.

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