Willems on Now I Know

From the blog The Pangea:

Putting all of our Christian presuppositions aside, if we can be comfortable with a God who does not know every detail of our future decisions, would not such an interpretation actually make sense out of this whole incident of the near sacrifice of Isaac? God tested Abraham because so that God could learn something. It was a genuine discerning on God’s part to make sure that he had selected the right person for the job of creating a family that would eventually bless the world. If Abraham ended the test with a failing grade, a new plan would need to be initiated.[2] But in fact the test is passed with flying colors and so God reiterates the covenant to him in the verses that immediately follow (Genesis 22.15-20). Abraham, for a time, helped release God from the immediate bind at hand.

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    1. Isaiah 38:5
      Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

      God, in Isaiah, adds 15 years to the life of Hezekiah. What this shows is that our “death” is not set in stone. Did God “know” when Hezekiah would die? Before he added the 15 years? God “knows” when we are going to die, but sometimes events change what God knows. God knows Hezekiah will die, Hezekiah asks for more life, God grants it, and then God knows Hezekiah will die in 15 years.

      Calvinists redefine knowledge: http://realityisnotoptional.com/2014/02/23/knowledge-redefined-by-calvinism/

      The Heezekiah story: http://realityisnotoptional.com/2013/09/28/god-changes-the-future/

      1. Man, that is a tough pill to swallow.

        Did God “know” when Isaac was going to die?

        If God was testing Abraham, and God was “Going” to stop him before “if he did choose” to sacrifice, then we must say from the beginning that there was no real chance of Isaac dying that day, (after all God know’s when Isaac is going to die) correct?

        His death was merely propositional and Abraham Could not in any circumstance have chosen to kill him.

        Hopefully you can decipher that mess.

        -Anon

        1. Hebrews 11:19
          Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

          Abraham thought that Isaac would die. Abraham had in the back of his mind that God would raise up Isaac from the dead. God could have worked with Isaac dying that day.

          One thing that we should always remember is that people can reject God’s gifts. If God gives Hezekiah 15 years, and then Hezekiah decides to commit suicide, then God is not obligated to stop Hezekiah. We see this in various prophecies that fail, as well as in the core gospel message of the New Testament. People can reject God’s gifts.

          1. I get what your trying to say there. But What I am saying here is it was Impossible for Abraham to have killed Isaac here. He did not have the “freedom” the “free will” the choice to Kill Isaac in this instance. God was just playing a cosmic trick on him.

            It doesn’t really matter how Abraham interpreted the events as that is not what is being argued.

            I genuinely appreciate the exchange on this, as this is something I don’t see to be reconcilable.

            -Anon

            1. The text presupposes Abraham could kill Isaac;

              Gen 22:12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

              God must verbally intervene and command Abraham not to kill Isaac. If Moses could not kill Isaac, God would not have to at the last minute stop the action from taking place.

              1. I still think you are missing my point.

                You are making God out to be some type of game player or trickster here. He commanded Abraham to do something that He knew wasn’t going to take place.

                But my biggest problem here is that Abraham could not actually kill Isaac here. His is not free to do as he wills. In NO instance in this example could Abraham have actually killed Isaac.

                Said another way, Abraham could NOT have disobeyed God and Killed Isaac. That is not “freedom” It was my understanding that we are truly free and can do as we please, so much so that God can’t know what we will choose.

                -Anon

                1. I think Abraham could have. We see plenty of times in the Bible where people rebel against God.

                  1Sa 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, “You have done foolishly. You have not kept the commandment of the LORD your God, which He commanded you. For now the LORD would have established your kingdom over Israel forever.
                  1Sa 13:14 But now your kingdom shall not continue. The LORD has sought for Himself a man after His own heart, and the LORD has commanded him to be commander over His people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you.”

                  Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

                  I guess the question is “what would the Bible have to say to make you believe that people can disobey God?”

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