Frank Admission by Calvinist

From Facebook group Calvinism, Arminianism, Pelagianism, Wesleyanism, Finneyism, Lutheranism:

It is impossible for an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God to create beings with free will. Free will is incompatible with those attributes, the only way for it to be compatible is to dumb down God’s attributes, and I refuse to do that!

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4 comments

  1. Tell me please, where does the bible teach that we are endowed with “free will”. I am searching desperately but can’t find the passages. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    -Anon

    1. Thank you for your comment. All will is free (there is no other kind). Remember when the lawyers resisted God’s will by not being baptized? Remember when God said that He thought Israel would return to Him, but she didn’t?

      Implicit throughout the Bible is freedom, that God does not control everything nor are we fated to evens. Jesus even uses the word “chance”. If a fatalist were to have wrote the Bible, it would be unrecognizable in its current form.

      1. All will is free? This is the very thing I am questioning. How do we come to this conclusion, what is the definition of “free”

        Free Will in so far as I understand it could be defined as: the ability to choose according to what you desire most at any given moment.

        Also, I would ask if your concept of our will is informed by scripture or culture. I ask because us slaves are not free, I see much more clear teaching that we are slaves than I do that we are autonomous. (I realize that my not be charitable however I don’t know how else to illustrate)

        I look forward to your response.

        Grace and Peace
        -Anon

        1. Thank you for your comment.

          What is a will? This is a separate question than if a “will” exists. When the lawyers rejected God’s will, what were they rejecting? The English word connotates individually derived desires. Non-living things do not have will. Robots have no will; they have programmed mandates. The Greek word for “will” seems to be the same.

          When you look up boulē [“will”] in the Bible, it looks exactly like individual specific desires. Here is Paul in Corinthians:

          1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels [boulē] of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.

          So each person derives their own will. Each person is judged on that will. In James, James attributes each person’s sins to their own will (he describes the concept not the word):

          Jas 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
          Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.

          The natural and only workable definition of “will” is having desire that is self-created. Computers do not have wills. The entire Bible testifies to God pleading for His people to choose Him.

          As to slaves. Slaves tend to adopt the will of their masters, although not always (see Spartacus for an extreme example). In the New Testament we find Paul trying to convince people that they are slaves of God and to adopt His will:

          Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

          Elsewhere Paul tries to convince real slaves to listen to their real masters:

          Col 3:22 Bondservants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in sincerity of heart, fearing God.

          So slavery is not a magic bullet where people have no will. Slavery is a condition of subservience. This can be illustrated by Jesus submitting to God’s will, forsaking his own:

          Luk 22:42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”

          Jesus still had his own will, but he allowed God’s will to decide the action. Jesus had a separate and unique will than God. Jesus willed not to be killed.

          Relevant: http://realityisnotoptional.com/2014/01/12/restraint-of-free-will/
          Relevant: http://godisopen.com/2014/02/06/apologetics-thursday-ware-misses-gods-will/

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